By Rachel from NC on November 6, 2013
I am looking to install propane gas logs into a working fireplace. Should I buy ventless gas logs or vent logs? I am going to keep the flue closed because I need to heat the home.
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on November 6, 2013
Answer:Your application will call for ventless logs to be used. This is the only type of set that can be safely used with the flue damper shut. They are also the superior choice for supplemental heating purposes, as vented logs are primarily for appearance and offer little supplemental heat.
By Andy Tate from Cincinnati, Ohio on January 1, 2013
Can ventless gas logs be installed in a standard fireplace? Would venting still be required?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on January 2, 2013
Answer:Yes, ventless gas logs can indeed be installed in a masonry/brick fireplace or a manufactured wood-burning fireplace that has been tested and listed to accept gas logs. No venting would be required. In either case, the damper for the existing fireplace would be closed.
By Robert from Pampa, TX on November 19, 2013
My fireplace is 30" wide in the front and 24" in the back, but only 13" deep. I think at one time this was a wood burning fireplace just because the house was built in 1926. However, I'm not sure of this until I can borrow my friends little remote camera to poke up the vent. The vent, or opening, is only about 1.25" x 6". I don't know if this is even big enough to be considered vented or not. That is my question. Can I use a vented unit or do I need to get a ventless? I would like to be able to use a vented unit because of the cost and I want to be able to have a more realistic look plus generate heat! Can you give me some advice on this?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on November 19, 2013
Answer:Based on the dimensions of your fireplace and the flue opening, the fireplace was likely originally intended for coal burning. Because of the small size of the flue, a vented gas appliance should not be used, as it will release more gas byproducts than the small flue will be able to keep up with. If you are able to verify that the flue is in good condition and not blocked, a vent free set could be used. I recommend inspecting the chimney before proceeding further.
By Ron from Tulsa, OK on November 13, 2013
I have a vent less gas log with remote that I bought at a local store. I don't like the noise from the pilot and the remote start eats batteries. I would like to buy something to fix it. A wall switch and an electric pilot would be great! What do you think?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on November 13, 2013
Answer:While it may be possible to use a wall switch in place of the remote control, I will not be able to offer a solution to the pilot assembly. Vent free burners are constructed with the valve as an integral part of the assembly, due to safety reasons. As such, the valve cannot be separated or changed.
By Lynda McAuley from Ontario on October 20, 2012
When I run my gas GI3600 fireplace, I smell an odor that is very irrational to my throat and my lungs burn. Is this the result of the ceramic logs?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on October 22, 2012
Answer:While uncommon, this natural vent fireplace insert can create an unpleasant smell under certain circumstances. One of the following issues may be occurring:
1. The unit is new and the paint used in production of the unit is still curing. This is the most common cause of this smell and will dissipate with use.
2. The ceramic logs are placed improperly. Please verify the logs are placed in the unit as specified in the owner's manual.
3. The unit is experiencing a downdraft (spillage) when used. This can be caused by strong winds forcing their way down the chimney. A high wind cap can alleviate this issue.
It would be best to check these issues in the order that they are listed. I will be happy to answer any questions you may have about further issues.
By Bill from Michigan on December 24, 2012
Is there a product that gives a wood smell for ventless fireplaces?
By Kevin E. - Fireplace Specialist on December 26, 2012
There are various aroma stones
available that are activated by the heat of your fireplace. Unfortunately, we have none that features the scent of naturally burning wood.
By Chip from Hoover, AL on July 10, 2013
Our fireplace is in an outdoor area, but is not directly in the elements where rain can not get to it. Is it required to use the stainless burners?
By Chris on July 10, 2013
Answer:I would still suggest the use of stainless components due to the humidity and temperature changes that the burner and log set would be subjected to.
By Frank from Boston, MA on May 19, 2013
What size logs do you recommend for the Breckenridge VFD32FB2CL Deluxe Vent-free 32"?
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on May 20, 2013
While most 18" ventless gas log sets will fit inside that 32" Breckenridge, some 24" sets can fit as well. Please see our full selection of ventless gas logs below, and let us know if you want us to verify proper fitting for a particular set:
Ventless Gas Logs
By John from Cabin John, MD on December 5, 2012
What else needs to be purchased if Ventless Gas Logs are purchased for an existing 36" wood fireplace?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 5, 2012
Answer:If a new ventless log set is purchased, it will come as a complete assembly. The set will have all the needed components, including the decorative embers.
Installation costs vary from region to region.
By Pala from Maryland on January 12, 2013
If I buy the vent free fireplace with remote control to turn the system on and off, will I still need to use the control knob, and if so where is it located on your systems? I have a vent free system already in my basement that is manual. I have to get on the floor to turn the control knob to turn it on to pilot, then adjust. I would like to purchase a system for upstairs but do not wish to get on the floor to turn it on.
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on January 14, 2013
Answer:Remote ready vent free fireplaces can be controlled from a remote or wall switch during the majority of operation. The pilot light will still need to be manually lit via the controls on the unit, but after this point the unit can be controlled completely by the remote. No further use of the unit's controls will be necessary unless you wish to turn the pilot completely off.
By Rhett Ruscoe from Clarksdale, MS on December 26, 2012
My fireplace is 36" front, 31" back, 22" depth. What size logs should I be looking for - 24" or 20"?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 26, 2012
Answer:Per your dimensions, 24 inch ventless gas logs would offer the better fit.
By Customer from Dayton, NJ on October 22, 2012
What is the difference between the remotes?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on October 22, 2012
Answer:There are four different options for remotes with our Peterson Real Fyre Ventless Gas Logs. First, there are two options for the On/Off Automatic Pilot Kit log sets. The first is a basic on/off remote that simply turns the log set on or off, and the second is a deluxe on/off remote that turns a set on or off and also has a thermostat that can be set to operate the log set accordingly.
There are also two remotes available with the Variable Flame Remote Pilot Kit. The first is similar to the basic on/off remote, but each time you press the "On" button, the valve gradually opens and the flame gets higher. As you press the "Off" button, the valve gradually closes and the flame gets lower.
The second remote available for the Variable Flame Remote Pilot Kit has the added feature of a thermostat that will cause the valve to open and close as needed to meet the temperature you choose.
By Dan from Amherst on October 10, 2013
My ventless gas logs seem to be gassing off black soot. I recently painted and do not want to have the problem again. Any suggestions? We like heating the living room with our gas logs. They are in a vented fireplace, but we keep the vent closed.
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on October 10, 2013
Answer:Depending on the design and quality of the burner, some combustion byproducts can occur from vent free log sets. The best way to ensure a minimal amount of gassing is to verify the logs are set up in the manufacturer recommended configuration. Usually, mounting pins and grooves will only allow them to be set up a certain way, but flame should not be hitting the logs directly. Rather, it should wrap around them. Dust or lint that is drawn toward the logs can also cause the release of soot. It is important to service the log set annually to remove any dust or dirt that has built up inside the firebox and in the burner air intake.
By Dan Blahnik from Whitelaw, WI on December 6, 2012
I have a two-sided fireplace with a fireplace insert. We had it converted to a propane vented gas log a few years ago, but we get very little heat out of it now so we don't use it. I have been thinking about changing to a ventless gas log.
1) Does this make sense? Will this give us more heat? 2) Could a ventless gas log be run with the vent closed? 3) Our insert also has doors and draws air from an outdoor vent. How would this work? 4) Finally, any suggestions on a log set?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 6, 2012
Answer:A ventless log set would indeed offer a much greater amount of usable heat, compared to a largely decorative vented appliance. The ventless log sets are indeed designed to be operated with the damper closed and could use the outside air kit to draw fresh air for combustion. The doors would need to remain open during operation of the set.
By Dan Blahnik from Whitelaw Wi. on December 15, 2012
I have a Heatilator Model ST36C Fireplace. Can I use a ventless gas log with this unit ? I have read that Heatilator doesn't recommend using ventless logs in some of their fireplaces. Why?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 17, 2012
Answer:Some models of fireplaces, including this model, do not allow for use of ventless gas logs because they are not insulated to stand up against the extra heat. Because the damper is closed during operation of ventless gas logs, no dilution air is pulled into the fireplace opening to cool it. This can cause the firebox to get significantly hotter than it would when being vented. In turn, this can cause clearances to the wooden framing behind the fireplace to be incorrect and will eventually lead to a fire.
Overall, only if the appliance specifically states that it can be used with ventless gas logs can you do so.
By David from Waterville, PA on November 15, 2013
Do the pilots stay lit on all of your ventless log sets? I am going to use this set infrequently and I am not sure about leaving the pilot lit all the time. Also, I'm not sure I want to leave the pilot on when I am away from home for a week at a time.
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on November 15, 2013
Answer:Most of our ventless leg sets do indeed feature a standing pilot light. However, the sets that feature the Electronic Pilot Kit do not; these use a battery-operated ignition system that eliminates the standing pilot. You can use the search options on the left-hand side of this page to select "Electronic Remote Pilot" from the "Pilot Type" menu to see these log sets.
By Steve from Atmore, AL on December 16, 2012
I have a Monessen MCUF42D vent-free firebox (openings: 38.5" front, 30.25" rear, 16" depth, 26" height), an Ambiet Technologies RCT remote, and am set up for propane / LP gas. Which vent-free gas log sets (complete with logs, burner, millivolt valve, grate, etc) will work with my firebox and remote?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 17, 2012
By TaMara from Chicago, IL on January 14, 2013
Are there options to purchase just the logs for a ventless fireplace? The logs that came with the unit are damaged and cant be used and I would like to figure out how to get just the logs or figure out a creative way to fill in the area without purchasing an entire unit.
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on January 14, 2013
Availability of replacement logs for your firebox will depend on a couple things. First, is your unit a vent-free firebox and separate vent-free log set, or did it all come together as part of a vent-free fireplace system (with box, burner and logs all included). If the former is true, you can replace your logs with a ventless gas log set
. If the latter is the case, please reply with your manufacturer and model information and we can research availability of replacement logs for your unit.
By Allen from VA on August 21, 2013
Does vent-free gas fireplaces have only a gas connection and no other openings for a chimney or other vent connection?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on August 21, 2013
Answer:Manufactured (metal) vent free fireplaces do indeed lack a chimney or external vent of any sort. They will recirculate and heat room air, using a precision burner system that avoids releasing harmful amounts of carbon monoxide into the room.
Vent free gas logs can also be purchased and installed into an existing firebox. If the firebox is a model that has a chimney, be it masonry or manufactured, the chimney must still be present and in good working order. This is because the damper is not an air tight seal and some heat will escape. As such, the chimney must be in place to funnel it safely out.
By Nikki from Ojai, CA on October 23, 2012
Can ventless gas logs be used in California? We currently have a natural gas-jetted wood-burning fireplace and would like to use the faux logs but don't want all the heat to be sucked up the chimney flue due to an open damper.
By Kevin E. - Fireplace Specialist on October 24, 2012
Unfortunately, no. The state of California prohibits the installation of vent-free gas appliances. An alternative would be a direct vent insert
. This option would require the relining of your chimney, though.
By Jay from Conway, AR on October 19, 2013
I currently have a vent-free fireplace and would like to upgrade my set to a remote/ thermostatically controlled set. The logs have been broken, so I just want a new set. The fireplace is a corner fireplace measuring 32" (front width), 26" (back width), 16" deep, and 30" high. Can you recommend a complete replacement set?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on October 21, 2013
Based on your dimensions, one of our most popular vent free sets could be used. The set is the Real Fyre 24" Charred Frontier Oak Ventless Natural Gas Logs Set with On/Off Remote Pilot Kit
. This set can be purchased with a thermostatic remote control that can be used to maintain the room temperature. It is important to note that this set is complete with the burner system and can be installed into a vent free firebox that does not have the burner system as an integral component. If your vent free firebox came with the burner as part of the unit, this set should not be used.
By Jeri from Lexington, KY on February 12, 2013
I want a ventless gas log set with a blower. What is the best option for me?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on February 12, 2013
Answer:None of our ventless gas log sets have a blower option. If you have a manufactured wood-burning fireplace, there may be a blower available for that model that you can use in conjunction with a ventless log set.
By mike phillips from Raleigh, NC on November 29, 2012
Where can I find the efficiency rating percentage for gas logs? I have the Pyromaster UN-24IL un-vented set. My HVAC guy says they are about 40% and my gas pack is about 70 (installed 1997). I have a friend with older logs too. He heats only with those.
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on November 29, 2012
Answer:Our Real Fyre ventless gas logs are 99.9% efficient, as the heat has nowhere to go but in the room where you are burning the log set.
By Mary from NJ on November 5, 2013
Can you insert ventless gas logs or insert into a wooden entertainment center made for electric inserts?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on November 5, 2013
Answer:Unfortunately, no. The wooden entertainment centers are specifically tested and listed for use with electric fireplace inserts only. Gas inserts release a great deal of heat that requires them to have greater clearances to combustibles. As such, they can only be used with purpose built mantels or built into a surrounding wall enclosure.
By Jaycee from Mt. Laurel, NJ on February 4, 2013
I have ventless ceramic logs in my wood-burning fireplace that was converted more than 15 years ago. Lately I have noticed a residual soot around the fireplace brick and walls nearby. The unit still works well. Does this mean the set needs to be replaced? If so, why?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on February 5, 2013
Answer:Increased output of soot and combustion byproducts can mean several things. Has the unit been serviced recently? Because ventless logs draw all of their combustion air from within the room, eventually the burner orifice and air shutter can become clogged with lint or dust. It is recommended to have the unit cleaned on a yearly basis to prevent sooting.
If the unit was serviced recently, please verify the logs are setup in the original configuration. If the logs are placed in a position directly over the flames, sooting can occur. When the burner is serviced, it is also recommended to have an inspection of the burner tube done, as they can corrode over time.
By bill from Scottsdale, AZ on November 30, 2012
What is the largest ventless size? My opening is 50".
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 3, 2012
Answer:The largest vent-free set we carry is 30 inches in width. The reason for the size limitation is linked to the BTU output limitation of 40000 BTUs for a vent-free log set. Any larger burner would yield a flame that is too low to be appealing or realistic. Any larger log set available would be in a vented variety.
By Mark on November 9, 2012
I have a large two-sided fireplace which I want to convert to a liquid propane gas log set that can be viewed from both sides. Which styles do you recommend ?
on November 9, 2012
One our more popular vent-free sets can be seen at the link below:
Real Fyre log sets are among some of the most realistic that are currently available. This set is designed to fit a see-thru fireplace up to 36 inches and offers remote control capability. Please let me know if you have any questions about the set or have any specific log or control preferences.
By Travis on November 9, 2012
I am looking for a set of fire logs that are thermostat controlled and remote controlled, ventless propane, 24-30 inches.
on November 9, 2012
We do indeed offer 24" and 30" propane ventless log sets with hand-held thermostatic remote control options. Please see some of them below:
Log Set 1
Log Set 2
Log Set 3
Log Set 4
There are several other options as well, please see our full selection of ventless gas log sets here:
Gas Log Set
By Keith on November 9, 2012
I live in a house that was built around 1946. I have a gas fireplace that's 30.6" front, back 28.6" and 9" deep. It's non vented. I would like to put gas logs back in it. Can you help?
on November 9, 2012
Based on the depth of your fireplace, it definitely seems like this must be a Victorian styled firebox. Unfortunately, I do not have a log set that could accommodate the 9 inch depth. The only vent free units I offer in the reduced depth category are coal baskets. For reference, you may view one of these units at the link below:
These are meant to be used in conjunction with a decorative coal basket front, which is typically installed in reduced depth fireplaces such as yours.
By Linda on November 9, 2012
Should the pilot light be turned off during the summer months or would you recommend not keeping it lit and opening the flue for venting the excess gas? In the winter, would it be okay not to keep the pilot light lit then throwing a match in whenever you wanted a fire?
on November 9, 2012
Answer:Generally, we recommend turning off the pilot for the summer months and re-lighting the first time you intend to use the fireplace. You would then keep it lit until you no longer need or want to use the fireplace, heading into the next summer.
By Nick from KY on March 13, 2013
What size logs do you recommend for the Breckenridge Deluxe 36"?
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on March 14, 2013
Answer:The Breckenridge Deluxe 36" fireboxes are best suited for our 24" Real Fyre ventless gas log sets. However, you will need to double-check the required dimensions to ensure proper fitting before ordering.
By g from Massachusetts on February 16, 2013
I am interested in a Peterson 30" G-18 vent free evening charred gas log set, but I am confused about the remote options, There are no descriptions of what they do, and what is electronic ignition? Does that come with variable flame adjustment on remote? What controls the flame height?
By Tommy H. on February 18, 2013
Answer:A SPK or safety pilot kit is a standard pilot offering no remote compatibility. An APK or automatic pilot kit comes in two versions: On/Off remote ready or Variable Flame remote ready. An EPK or electronic pilot kit will ignite the fire without the need for a standing pilot light using piezoelectric ignition and can also use an on/off remote.
There are typically two remote types: standard and deluxe/thermostatic. Thermostatic remotes will turn the unit on or off depending on the temperature where you leave the remote.
By Eileen from Greer, SC on October 14, 2013
I would like to add a gas ventless log to my fireplace. I have moved into a house which was built in the 1940's. The fireplace measures 20.5" in front, 18.5" in the back, and 9" wide. There is a copper pipe with a red on off knob coming up from the floor of the fireplace. Can you help me?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on October 15, 2013
Based on the dimensions of your fireplace, it was likely constructed as a coal burning unit and will allow a very limited selection for gas logs. The smallest set that we carry is the Real Fyre 16" Valley Oak Ventless Natural Gas Logs Set with Safety Pilot Kit
. The only issue with this set is that it requires 1 inch of additional depth over what you have. This may not necessarily be an issue if the fireplace has a hearth that will allow the very front of the log set to protrude onto.
Another option would be to use vent free coal burner, such as the Rasmussen Vent-Free Natural Gas Burner with Realistic Coals
. As you can see by the appearance, it is not meant to be used by itself. The burner should be placed into a decorative coal basket or used with a fender. Some coal burning fireplaces retained their original fenders and this could be used to conceal the burner, if your fireplace still has the fender.
By ron pearce from Flemington, NJ on November 16, 2012
I'm interested in a ventless gas log for my wood-burning fireplace. It would need to be small: my fireplace takes 18 inch logs maximum, and burns propane. Do you have a product that can run using 20 or 30 lb. propane cylinders?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on November 16, 2012
Answer:Our vent free gas logs can use down to a 20 pound propane cylinder, but this will limit the amount of time the unit will be able to burn before requiring time to vaporize more fuel. The larger the cylinder that can be used, the better.
By Pam from WA on July 25, 2013
How do I know if I need vented or ventless gas logs?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on July 25, 2013
Answer:If your fireplace is complete and the chimney is in good working order, either system can be used.
Vented logs offer a high flame and BTU output, giving the most realistic appearance. The logs are also placed more naturally, further enhancing the look. However, these systems are primarily for looks and only give a small amount of supplemental heat.
Ventless gas logs have a lower flame and 40,000 BTU limit. However, all heat is pushed directly into the room, making them an excellent heating appliance. The logs do not work well in small spaces, humid environments, or dusty rooms. The sets use room air for combustion and introduce moisture back into the room. Small areas can cause oxygen depletion and excess moisture.
By Margaret from Martinsville, VA on November 16, 2012
Do you carry 30" ventless gas logs in birch wood?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on November 16, 2012
Answer:Unfortunately, no. The only birch-style gas logs we sell are vented. We apologize for the inconvenience.