By Chad Norton from Cottage Grove, MN on July 13, 2012
I'm designing a stationary outdoor BBQ smoker. These panels (if appropriate for my design) will be used in the offset firebox. What kind of clearances should be considered behind these panels. The frame will consist of steel stud then rockboard and veneer stone.
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on July 13, 2012
Answer:Because of the fact that these panels are engineered to replace existing panels in various brands of prefabricated fireplaces, there is not a specific clearance that is listed for heat protection.
However, manufactured units that have this type of panel installed at the factory, typically have a 5-6" clearance between the back of the panel and the outer metal jacket on the unit. I apologize that I do not have further information to share on this item.
By Lee from Monroe Township, NJ on November 18, 2013
What is the thickness of the panel?
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on November 18, 2013
Answer:These panels are approximately 3/4" thick.
By roxanne from Ventura, California on March 29, 2012
Are these refractory items to be used when you have a small hole in your bricks in the back of a fireplace to make it safer? To keep a barrier from that area?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on March 29, 2012
By David from Bristol, tn on March 29, 2012
Can these panels be used in a vent free gas log fire box?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on March 30, 2012
Answer:Actually, these are refractory panels meant for use inside woodburning fireplaces. If you can reply with your manufacturer and model information, we will be happy to look into the availability of ceramic panels made specifically for your unit.
By Chris from Warren, OH on March 1, 2013
Is it possible to order 3 pcs of the Hargrove Rplacement Fireplace Refractory Panels - 24" x 40"?
By Chris on March 1, 2013
Answer:We can order 3 of the Hargrove panels for you. If you would like to order 3 of these panels you would need to call us to place the order over the phone.
By Lash from Franktown, CO on July 28, 2013
I am thinking about using these as a liner in a "Heatilator steel lined" wood burning firebox as an aesthetic liner. How would you recommend attaching them to smooth steel plate? Would you recommend a mortar or an adhesive such as high temp silicone, etc?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on July 29, 2013
By Jeff from Corona, California on February 28, 2012
I have a "Superior KR-38-2" fireplace that is out of production. Some years back Superior was purchased by Lennox. Will these panels be the correct thickness for this fireplace?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on February 28, 2012
Answer:Yes, these panels are 3/4" thick and are fine to use in any manufactured wood burning fireplace. They can be cut to fit with a tile saw or a masonry blade.
By Honora from CT on March 2, 2014
Do you have exact size replacement fierplace panels? I need a 24 inch wide by 20 inch height. My fireplace model has been discontinued.
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on March 3, 2014
We're sorry, but our universal panel options are made large so the owner can cut to any size needed. If you do not have the manufacturer or model information of your fireplace, then we can offer universal replacement panels. We carry options for both woodburning fireplaces and gas fireplaces. If you have a woodburning fireplace (or a fireplace that originally burned wood but now burns gas), we do offer some universal refractory panels that will work for your woodburning fireplace. Please see the following links:
One 24"h x 28"w Panel
Two 24" h x 40"w Panels
These panels are about 3/4" thick and can be cut down to the size you need with a masonry blade or tile saw. They are suitable for use as side, rear and floor panels inside any manufactured woodburning fireplace.
If you have a fireplace that is only listed to burn gas (vent-free, direct vent or B-vent), please see these universal panel options:
El Dorado Decorative Brick Firebox Panel
Seville Decorative Brick Firebox Panel
Florence Decorative Brick Firebox Panel
Each of these panels measure 22.5" wide by 19.5" high and they are 1/2" thick. They can be cut to the size(s) you need.
By Stewart Gill from Herndon, VA on December 16, 2011
I own a Trueheat Fireplace. I understand Trueheat is no longer in business but I need all three inside panels. Do you sell them or do you know who does and where I can buy them?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 16, 2011
Answer:Panels, such as the ones this question was placed under, are the only models that we have to fit a discontinued fireplace such as yours.
These universal Hargrove panels can be cut to fit and serve as good replacements for most models of fireplace.
The only other option would be to try and locate a surplus dealer that still has Trueheat panels on hand, but they have been gone for quite some time so possibilities are slim.
Please keep in mind the Hargrove panels are made to order and usually take up to ten business days to ship out.
By Steve Edmond from new Jersey on June 10, 2012
Can I use this refractory panel also as the hearth (bottom) panel for a Marco wood fireplace . I need both the rear and bottom refractory panels.
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on June 11, 2012
Answer:Yes, indeed you may use this item as a hearth panel for your Marco woodburning fireplace.
By Kevin E. - Fireplace Specialist on June 11, 2012
Answer:These panels are indeed designed to be a universal replacement. As such, as long as their dimensions are adequate for your Marco, then they will work just fine. They will perform perfectly well as either a bottom or a rear panel.
By Carla from So Cal on December 4, 2011
What other materials would I need to install these panels... Any special cement required?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on December 5, 2011
Answer:It is not recommended to use any adhesive when installing these panels. They should be cut to fit together inside your firebox and secured with clips that held the previous panels. If your firebox does not have clips, you may be able to fabricate some to hold these panels in place.
If you use adhesive, when the heat causes these panels to expand, they will crack.
By Kevin from Derby, KS on November 19, 2013
It says this comes as a set of two. Is this one panel? I need to replace the back and both sides.
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on November 19, 2013
Answer:This is indeed a set of two panels, each measuring 24" tall and 40" wide. They are approximately 3/4" thick and can be cut to the sizes you need with a masonry blade.
By Dennis from New Jersey on November 13, 2013
Is this for a wood burning fireplace?
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on November 13, 2013
Answer:Yes. These panels are about 3/4" thick and can be cut down to the size you need with a masonry blade or tile saw. They are suitable for use as side, rear and floor panels inside any manufactured woodburning fireplace.
By Richard from Clovis, CA on October 28, 2013
I need a back piece and bottom piece for my wood burning 0 clearance fireplace. The description on these panels states that they can be used on sides and back. Can I use one of these for the bottom panel? My simulated brick dimensions are 2 1/2" x 6". Is this panel a close match to the existing panels I have?
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on October 28, 2013
Answer:Yes, these panels can be used as a hearth/floor panel. The brick pattern on these panels is very close to yours--it measures approximately 2" x 6".
By Elaine from Acra, NY on November 14, 2013
Can these panels be used on a wall behind a wood burning stove?
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on November 14, 2013
No, these panels are only for use inside manufactured woodburning fireplaces. However, please see our Hearth Boards & Stove Boards
for some options for wall protection behind your stove.
By Ron from NY on December 21, 2013
I have received my order from you and I am wondering if someone could explain to me how to remove the old bottom refractory panel on my Superior fireplace model SGR384. Do I have to remove the glass doors? How would I do that? Can you assist me with this?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 23, 2013
Answer:While we are not a dealer of the Superior brand of fireplaces, I can say that similar brands that we carry do indeed require the removal of the glass doors to replace the bottom refractory panels. The upper door pins are usually spring loaded, allowing you to pull the pins downward and tilt the doors out of the way. You can then remove the front refractory rail at the bottom of the fireplace. Removing the rail should allow you to pull the bottom refractory out of position.
By David from Grayling on November 9, 2013
I have a metal fireplace insert that was placed out onto a mortar/brick base in a cabin. It has no firebrick inside. Can these panels be used on the back and sides?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on November 11, 2013
Answer:These panels can indeed be used to reline a manufactured, open faced fireplace. If the unit is a true fireplace insert that has a sealed combustion system, actual firebrick should be used, as the panels will not be able to withstand the heat.
By Stan Price from Navarre, FL on November 7, 2012
I have a Superior CF3860 insert and need to replace all side and back panels plus the bottom. Is this what I need?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on November 7, 2012
Answer:These panels are indeed the correct choice to replace existing panels that are in poor condition. It is always best to try and secure the original panels; however, it will likely be difficult to find panels for this model, as it has been discontinued for some time.
The universal panels can be cut with a masonry or tile saw and the original liner retainer brackets can be used again to hold these panels in position.
By Jan Grimsley from Beaufort, SC on February 10, 2013
I purchased a home with a wood-burning fireplace; however, I'm planning to purchase a gas log set. The refractory panels have small cracks. Would this set be adequate for a gas log scenario?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on February 11, 2013
Answer:Yes, if you have a manufactured (metal) woodburning fireplace, these panels can be cut to the sizes you need and replace the factory refractory panels.
By Charli from Clarksville, TN on December 15, 2012
I need the two sides 16" wide X 17" tall; the bottom is 30" front, back is 20" depth is 14"; the back panel is 21" wide X 17" tall. Do you sell a kit?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on December 17, 2012
By Eric Overman from Milwaukee, WI on October 23, 2012
Can you cut these to specification? Can I use this on a Lennox LB4CFI-2?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on October 23, 2012
Answer:Yes, these panels can indeed be cut to the sizes you need. They are suitable for use in any manufactured wood-burning fireplace.
By Enid from Gold River, BC on March 22, 2014
I live in a house that is about 50 years old. When we bought it we were told the firebox was cracked and it could therefore not be used. When I look at the fireplace it is large 31.5 wide and 20.5 deep. There are no refractory panels- I assume the previous owners removed them but I see no clips, make and model number or anything else. The back has a hole in it the size of a 10 cent piece, and it appears from the coloring that it was this that they made fire in. The back and sides are metal. The fireplace then bends slightly and goes upwards. There is also a grate or vent in the center of the chimney breast.
I have a couple of questions- should those fireplace have refractory panels? If so given there are no clips how do I attach it to the existing structure. Could I cement with refractory cement the above product to the back and sides? The fireplace is huge and the focus of the room so I would really like to use it for both aesthetic reasons and reduction of heating costs.
By Chris on March 24, 2014
Answer:Typically, prefabricated fireplaces due require the use of refractory panels to insulate the firebox from the surrounding combustible framing. Due to the age of the home, I would suggest having a professional inspect both the fireplace and the chimney system to ensure that there are no hidden concerns. Additionally, the refractory panels would need to be held in place by clips as the panels will expand and contract under normal heating and cooling of the fireplace. If the panels are joined together, or to the firebox body, they could crack as they expand and contract. Sometimes these clips need to simply be made and riveted into place if they have since been removed or burned away over time.
By Sally Welch from Phoenix, Arizona on November 2, 2011
I attached a picture of the back of the fireplace in a home that we have sent in an offer to purchase. We "think" that this is a pre-fab fireplace and the item noted above could repair this? Can you let me know if this is the right product for this problem?
By Kevin E. on November 2, 2011
Answer:Your thoughts are correct. Our universal fit replacement brick panels would do the trick. Your other option would be to locate the model of the fireplace and order the specific replacements for it. This information can be found on the data plate of the fireplace. This plate is generally riveted to the upper front panel of the box.
By Kevin MacGinley from Tampa Bay, FL on December 8, 2011
My rear panel that needs to be replaced measures 1 3/8" thick. This is almost double the thickness of your panels (3/4"). Could I install two panels in the rear location? One in front of the other? My bottom panel, or hearth, have slots in which to place the panel. The rear slot is 1 3/4", so two 3/4" panels would fit with a 1/4" to spare. The bracket would then also fit as it did with the original. Or this just a bad idea?
Also, my hearth is cracked. Not too bad. I know it will get me through this winter. But after that I believe I will need to replace it. Can one of these panels be used as the hearth (bottom panel)?
By Kevin E. - Fireplace Specialist on December 8, 2011
Answer:It s not recommended to stack refractory panels. Per your application, the proper repair would be replacing the panel with a common sized unit. Our Hargrove panels could be used as your bottom panel, if they are the same as your original.
By Sally Welch from Phoenix, Arizona on November 3, 2011
How are these installed in an existing fireplace that has panels like this ---the existing panels have cracked.
By Collin C. on November 3, 2011
Answer:The panels would need to be cut to size, using the existing panels as a template. You can cut these with a masonry or tile saw. Most panels are held in place with removable steel brackets. The existing brackets would need to be utilized when replacing the panels. If the brackets are in poor condition, it may be necessary to purchase replacements or have replacements fabricated.
By John from Missouri on December 9, 2011
When I look at the panels in my fireplace, I don't see the holding brackets that you've spoken about in previous Q&As. I'm talking about he brackets that hold the refractory panels in place. Where are they located? Behind the panels? I'm trying to figure out how I would remove them so I can order new panels and then measure my templates for sizing. Is this something that will end up being a force job using a crowbar, or is this an easy process? My fireplace was manufactured in 1988. The company that built it doesn't exist any more. Based on the age of the fireplace, I have to assume that these brackets are likely unserviceable. My concern is that once I remove the bad panels and buy your replacements that I won't have brackets to use to replace the old with. Do the brackets screw into the fireplace wall behind the panels? I live in a small town and getting things here are done at Walmart......exclusively. Doubt they would have what I need. Sorry about all the questions, but I have no clue what I'm getting into here and I don't want to open a can of worms that I can't close. In other words, I could be better off spending money just to replace the entire unit.
Last question. Your 24X40 panels comes in a set of two, but I don't see where the 24X28 panel comes in a set of two. No?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 9, 2011
Answer:Typically, the brackets are able to be seen and sit on the front side of the panels, retaining them again the fireplace on the upper side of the unit. There are usually no brackets on the bottom, as the panels sit into a groove on the bottom side. Some manufacturers used refractory or furnace cement to adhere the panels into place and this may very well be the case for your unit. I cannot say for sure whether or not this is true, but I may be able to look into this for you and find the answer. Please advise who the unit was made by.
As for the panels we carry, the 24 x 28 is indeed a single panel. Only the 24 x 40 is sold in a set of two.
By Theresa from Orange, Texas on January 18, 2014
I have an old Trueheat TBU36. We installed this new when we built our home in 1990. The Refractory Panels on the left & right are still in good shape, but the back and bottom have bad cracks. Since the fireplace originally carried a 25 year warranty and it has been 24 years already, does it make sense to replace only the cracked panels or should I replace them all? I'm afraid the others will crack before long. Although almost all the comments I have read say they need to replace only back & bottom.
My second question is by the time I purchase this set and add the additional 24 x 28 panel to cover the fourth panel wouldn't it make more sense to just purchase a complete new unit? I can see how replacing the refractory panels is fairly simple, but would it be a major undertaking to take out the old unit, replace with a new one and install new vent pipe?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on January 20, 2014
Answer:As long as the side panels are intact and do not have any signs of severe cracking, it may indeed be possible to replace the back and bottom panels only. Typically, a full panel replacement is only done on an older unit if you are looking for a fresh, uniform look. You are correct that replacing the entire unit may be a better option, given the age of the unit and cost of replacements. The unit uses the same SK8 chimney system that many new Majestic and Monessen units use now. If the chimney system is in good shape, you could replace the unit only and use the same chimney.
After checking with the manufacturer, the back and bottom panels are still available for this model of fireplace. The parts would have to be cast and shipped out to you. If you would like to place an order, I can contact you via phone to do so.
By Phil from St Petersburg, FL on November 15, 2013
I only need the hearth panel for my Supeior BRF 3875. The panel is 34" x 16" when cut. Do you offer single panels?
By Chris on November 15, 2013
By Jerry from IL on December 3, 2013
Can you tell me how much each of the panels weigh?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 3, 2013
Answer:Per the manufacturer, each one of the 24 x 40 panels weighs in at 75 pounds.
By Duane K Werling from Pendleton, Indiana on November 28, 2011
Does your panel have a 4"x8" brick pattern or other?
Do you offer a replacement bottom panel? Is it also 3/4" thick?
How do I seal side panels to rear panel at corner without mitered or beveled edge?
How do you seal 24" x 40" if it comes in set of 2? I assume each panel is actually 24" x 20" - is that correct?
Could you give me a cost / panel and freight for the following panels? My location is Pendleton, Indiana.
Rear Panel: 29 1/4" W x 22 3/4" H.
Bottom Panel: Front Width 41", Rear Width 28 3/4", Depth 18 7/8"
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on November 29, 2011
Answer:Each brick on these panels measures 2" h x 6" w. It is strongly recommended to NOT use any sealant with these panels, as the heat will cause them to expand, and the use of any sealant is going to cause them to crack. There are no dedicated side or rear panels, these panels must be cut with a masonry or tile saw to the size you need. We do not offer any custom sizing; you would need to cut these panels to those sizes yourself or find someone to help you.
No, you are not correct -- for this item, you will indeed get two 24" h x 40" w panels.
Shipping on this item to Pendleton, Indiana, would be free. You would also not be responsible for sales tax either.
By Brad Fischer from Cleveland OH on September 10, 2012
From looking at your site and the various Q&A's, it looks like 3/4 " is a fairly common thickness. When I measure my panels, they look to be mostly 1" thick but there are areas closer to 3/4". I have a Superior BRF-3875. Will your panels be thick enough?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on September 11, 2012
Answer:Yes, these panels will be sufficient for your fireplace. Simply cut them to size with a masonry blade or tile saw and secure them to your unit with the clips that held your previous panels.
By terry from peyton co. on December 29, 2011
Are these panels for wood burning fireplaces?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 30, 2011
Answer:These panels are indeed meant to replace the broken or damaged panels in a wood burning fireplace.
By Becky from Charleston, SC on May 30, 2012
This product is recommended for sides and back of fireplace. My floor panel needs to be replace also. What product do you recommend for this?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on May 30, 2012
Answer:These panels can indeed also be used as a floor or hearth panel for any woodburning fireplace.
By Kel from Los Angeles, Ca on December 30, 2011
I have an old brick masonry gas/wood fireplace that has been deemed unsafe by insurance due to cracks. Will these extreme heat tolerant inserts work for a very low gas flame to protect the inner walls from getting too hot?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on December 30, 2011
These panels are designed for use inside a manufactured fireplace, rather than a true masonry setup.
It would be necessary to reline the existing box with a product such as this:
AW Perkins Castable Refractory Cement - 50 lb. Tub
This product is designed to resurface damaged firebrick and mortar joints, allowing the fireplace to be used again safely.
By Marty from Naugatugk, CT on October 31, 2013
I have a unit in my condo built in 1987. It has three panels of firebricks. How can I tell the manufacturer?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on October 31, 2013
Answer:There is usually a build tag in one of three places on manufactured fireplaces:
1. Just inside the opening, on the left or right side, just behind the fireplace screens.
2. Beneath the bottom concrete floor panel, if the unit has one.
3. In the open space in the very bottom of the fireplace, behind the bottom louvers.
By Leigh from St Louis, Missouri on October 26, 2013
I have a wood burning fireplace. The bricks in the firebox have lost the mortar, and are loose. The chimney sweep recommended removing the old brick, and building a new firebox. Could we cover our existing firebox with this product?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on October 28, 2013
Answer:These panels are designed for use only inside a masonry fireplace. They do not provide the necessary insulating value for a masonry fireplace and are largely for decorative appearance. The firebox must be reconstructed with firebrick and refractory mortar to be used again safely.
By Jerry from IL on November 27, 2013
My fireplace has fire brick. It was a gas fireplace and now it is woodburning. The sides (back and bottom) do not come out. Can I put the panels over the old fire brick?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on November 29, 2013
Answer:It is possible to place the universal brick panels over the existing panels, however there should be a way to remove the old panels. There are usually retaining brackets that are located at the top of each side panel that holds them in place. Removing those brackets will allow the side panels to lean over and be removed. This will then allow the rear panel to be pulled forward.
By Edgar from Alvin, TX on January 5, 2014
Are these for a wood burning fireplace?
By Collin C. - NFI Master Hearth Professional on January 6, 2014
Answer:These are indeed universal replacement panels that can be cut and fit to most prefabricated wood burning fireplaces.
By Terry from Lexington, SC on January 12, 2014
What do you use for replacing the floor panel? It looks the same as the side panels. I need to replace the rear panel floor in my Superior Model AA613262 or BCT4585 unit. Will these panels get the job done?
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on January 13, 2014
Answer:Yes, these Hargrove panels can be used as a hearth/floor panel for any manufactured woodburning fireplace.
By Temple from Va Beach on January 18, 2013
Can I use this to replace my bottom panel on a Marco wood burning stove if I cut to fit?
By Tyler M. - Fireplace Specialist on January 18, 2013
By Jim from Pinon Hills, CA on December 28, 2013
This item indicates that it can be used as a right, left, or back panel. I need a back and bottom panel for my Heatilator Element 42 fireplace. The bottom is just over 40 inches at its longest side. These panels are 40 inch and do not say they can be used as a bottom panel in the description details. Can they also be used on the bottom?
By Tyler M. - NFI Certified Specialist on December 30, 2013
Answer:Yes, these panels may indeed be used as a hearth/floor panel in a woodburning fireplace.